Episode No. 257 of The Modern Art Notes Podcast features artist Anthony Hernandez and curator Karen Hellman.

The San Francisco Museum of Modern Art is presenting the first retrospective of Anthony Hernandez, whose photographs have consistently looked at parts of America, especially of Los Angeles, that hide in plain sight. The show, which was curated by Erin O’Toole, features 160 images. It is on view through Jan. 1, 2017. The museum’s excellent catalogue features an extraordinary introduction by Robert Adams, and an engrossing conversation between Hernandez and Lewis Baltz. Amazon offers it for just $40.

As the contributions by his peers to SFMOMA’s catalogue may suggest, Hernandez has long been an artist’s artist. The last major monographic exhibition of his work was in 2011 at the Vancouver Art Gallery. It was co-curated by Jeff Wall.

On the second segment, Getty Museum curator Karen Hellman discusses “Real/Ideal: Photography in France, 1847-1860,” which is on view through November 27. Hellman’s exhibition looks at how early French photographers engaged in cultural and intellectual debates with their peers in fields such as painting and fiction. The exhibition catalogue was published by the Getty. Amazon offers it for $60.

Air date: October 6, 2016.