Episode No. 248 of The Modern Art Notes Podcast features curators Scott Allan and Simon Kelly.

Along with Harvard Art Museums curator Edouard Kopp, Allan is the co-curator of “Unruly Nature: The Landscapes of Théodore Rousseau,” a survey of one of the major figures in 19th-century French art. The show is at the Getty through September 11, when it will travel to the Ny Carlsberg Glyptotek in Copenhagen.

Rousseau helped turn French painting away from an academic tradition built around Italy, Poussin and Claude, toward greater naturalism. The Getty exhibition is the first major Rousseau exhibition in North America and the largest Rousseau show in nearly 50 years. The terrific exhibition catalogue was published by Getty Publications.

On the program, host Tyler Green references Episode No. 234, on which Taft Museum of Art curator Lynne Ambrosini discussed her recent Daubigny exhibition.

On this week’s second segment, we’ll re-visit host Tyler Green’s 2014 conversation with Saint Louis Art Museum curator Simon Kelly regarding his exhibition “Impressionist France: Visions of Nation from Le Gray to Monet.” Kelly co-curated the show with Nelson-Atkins Museum of Art curator April M. Watson. Despite the show’s title, it wasn’t an exhibition of impressionist painting. Instead it looked at how artists — both painters and photographers — engaged with and helped shape France’s emerging national identity between 1850-80, a period which includes the last 20 years of Rousseau’s career and during which France cycled through several governments and lost the 1870 Franco-Prussian War (and along with it Alsace and Lorraine) to Germany. Images for the show are here.

Air date: August 4, 2016.

Théodore Rousseau, The Old Park at St. Cloud, 1831-32.

Théodore Rousseau, Under the Birches, Evening, 1842.

Théodore Rousseau, Evening (The Parish Priest), 1842-43.

Théodore Rousseau, A Clearing, 1848.

Théodore Rousseau, Forest of Fontainebleau, Cluster of Tall Trees Overlooking the Plain of Clair Bois, 1849-52.

Théodore Rousseau, Morning Effect, 1850.

Théodore Rousseau, Farm in Les Landes, ca. 1852-67.

Theodore Rousseau, View of Mont Blanc, 1863-67.