Episode No. 354 of The Modern Art Notes Podcast features curator Laurence Kanter and art historian John Klein.

Kanter is the curator of “Leonardo: Discoveries from Verrocchio’s Studio” at the Yale University Art Gallery. The exhibition examines a little-studied period early in Leonardo da Vinci’s career: his time as an apprentice in the studio of sculptor, painter and goldsmith Andrea del Verrocchio. In the exhibition, Kanter argues that a pair of predella panels that were made for a large altarpiece in Pistoia, Italy, The Annunciation at the Louvre and A Miracle of Saint Donatus of Arezzo from the Worcester Art Museum were executed by a young Leonardo. The exhibition, which is on view through October 7, is accompanied by a terrific catalogue published by the Yale University Art Gallery and distributed by Yale University Press. Amazon offers it for $35.

On the second segment, host Tyler Green’s 2014 conversation with Washington University-based art historian John Klein about how Henri Matisse migrated projects from cut-outs to decorative art installations. The interview was taped on the occasion of “Henri Matisse: The Cut-Outs” which was then on view at the Museum of Modern Art, New York. Klein’s new book, “Matisse and Decoration” which this interview effectively previews, will be out from Yale University Press in October.

Air date: August 16, 2018.

Leonardo da Vinci, The Annunciation, ca. 1475–79. Collection of the Louvre.

Leonardo da Vinci, The Annunciation, ca. 1475–79, detail. Collection of the Louvre.

Leonardo da Vinci and Lorenzo di Credi, A Miracle of Saint Donatus of Arezzo, ca. 1475–85. Collection of the Worcester (Mass.) Art Museum.

Leonardo da Vinci and Lorenzo di Credi, A Miracle of Saint Donatus of Arezzo, ca. 1475–85, detail. Collection of the Worcester (Mass.) Art Museum.

Leonardo da Vinci and collaborator, The Triumph of Aemilius Paulus, ca. 1472–73. Collection of the Musée Jacquemart-André, Institut de France, Paris.

Leonardo da Vinci and collaborator, The Triumph of Aemilius Paulus, ca. 1472–73, detail. Collection of the Musée Jacquemart-André, Institut de France, Paris.

Lorenzo di Credi, The Annunciation, ca. 1465. Alana Collection, Newark, Del.

Andrea del Verrocchio, Virgin and Child, ca. 1465. Alana Collection, Newark, Del.