Episode No. 61 of The Modern Art Notes Podcast features curator Rebecca Rabinow and historian Miwon Kwon.

Rabinow is one of the three co-curators of “Matisse: In Search of True Painting” at the Metropolitan Museum of Art. The Pompidou’s Cécile Debray and Dorthe Aagesen of the Statens Museum for Kunst, Copenhagen also worked on the show.

The exhibition is on view at the Metropolitan through March 17. Rabinow has worked on many Matisse-centric shows, including “The Steins Collect” and “Matisse: The Fabric of Dreams — His Art and His Textiles.”

On the second segment of the show, UCLA art history professor Miwon Kwon talks with me about Richard Serra’s early earthwork Shift (at right), which is threatened by exurban development near Toronto. With Philipp Kaiser, Kwon co-curated the exhibition  “Ends of the Earth,” a survey of land art that debuted at the Museum of Contemporary Art and that’s now on view at the Haus der Kunst in Munich. The exhibition’s catalogue won the College Art Association’s Alfred H. Barr, Jr. Award, given annually to the top museum-exhibition catalogue.

Air date: Jan. 3, 2013.